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TAB   "Apophis The Destroyer"  -  6  COMMENTS  -  PAGE 1
Apophis The Destroyer      [GP4]   [156 hits]   [Version: 2]   [Id: 106108]
Artist: Skeleton Competition July/August 2009
File Size: 274 KB     Number of Tracks: 11
Submitted by: JazzDeath  (All tabs)  on 03 Aug 2009 22:54, commenting:
Many \'skeleton mistakes\' and disregard for time signatures, rate poorly.
Validated by eowyn on 07 Aug 2009 15:22

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Ok, you know you broke several rules with this song... which is a shame because forgetting skeleton issues, I found almost all of it great... :/ Step-by-step then:

[Intro] From the start you went for a triplet feel. Definitely a good idea, although my music theory knowledge is not enough to decide if those bars "are" in fact 4/4, or 6/8 or something. Nevermind that ;) This intro works very nicely, giving a big creepy soundscape feel. But I'm pretty sure changing the rhodes to harpsichord for main riff was against the rules... why not use the "other" track (which you actually deleted)?

[Main Riff] You let us know you had trouble adapting triplet feel to these time-signatures, but the final result is really good, it has a "stop-an-go" feel to it that I liked. Only observation is that bars 21/22 sound more like 5/8-5/8-2/8 than 6/8-6/8... a "dirty trick" that I probably used myself... bleh, shouldn't be bothering with this at all.

[Verse 1] Pretty much flawless. Loved the rhythm and the progression. You actually made the triplet feel fit all the way through this time, and work, great stuff.

[Chorus] Big, epic, powerful. Perhaps too busy? Well I liked it in the MIDI, don't know how it'd work in real life though... probabaly you weren't THAT worried about real life either.

[Guitar Solo] Only thing I can point out is the shrediness of it, kinda overdone I think. However, it keeps the big/epic/powerful feel of the chorus. Transition into Main Riff is not awesome, but works decently enough.

[Main Riff/Variations] You transformed the 7/8-9/8 sequence into a plain 4/4 basically. Again, I don't know enough theory to understand how ok or not this is. But nevermind, cool variation.

[Chipmunk Invasion] Ok, so you threw Chipmunk Invasion out of the window and replaced it with a Meteor Shower... I understand why you did it (chipmunks have no place in your song's theme) but it's still gonna cost ya. Interesting how you chose to slow down the 5/8 bar before for the transition, rather than speeding it up. Works well. But the tempo changes during this section didn't work so well in my GP5, was your idea to steadily slow down from 180 to 150 during the whole section? Nevermind that, forgetting the absence of chipmunks, it was good. Killer harpsichord.

[Verse 2] Basically the ideas of Verse 1 adapted to the new time-sig sequence. Works as well as before.

[Chorus 2/Intro Glimpse] Chorus is the same as before, still epic, but there's no intro glimpse whatsoever. Good transition/tempo change though, into the following section.

[Jam/Groove] Uuuuuuf big headache for me here... absolutely loved these sections (I still remember you talking about Dillinger Escape Plan earlier, and the influence shows) but, apart from maybe the usage of slap bass, there's nothing of "jam" or "groove" here, just really heavy, crazy, somewhat mathy black metal. Again, gonna cost ya. big time.

[Sax/Clarinet Solos] Apart from me having no idea how someone would play those crazy slides and stuff in a saxophone or clarinet in real life, these sounded really great.

[Heavy Riff 1/your choice Solo] Heavy Riff 1 is a small variation of what was meant to be the "groove", not much to say... great harpsichord solo.

[Heavy Riff 2] Is that a heavy riff? Well, it has the "heavy" feel to it, but it's still acoustic.. this comment is pathetic really, I have little to no musical crtiticism, it's just blabbering about the skeleton... although the transition back into main riff was far from great, you should have started preparing its introduction way before the very last heavy riff bar.

[Main Riff] Same as before + harpsichord. Works. The transition into final chorus you had in the early version of this was definitely funny... xD but you changed it to comply to the rules... you did well, and it still works pretty ok.

[Chorus 3] Same as before...

[Slow Solo/Outro] Probably the slow solo should have been slower... sure it's not overwhelmingly shreddy as the first one, but I think it was meant to be slower. Double-guitar harmony was interesting. You chose the intro theme to finish it off, and it worked really well.

Overall: Great song. Awesome song actually. But you purposely overlooked several of Rumpy's instructions to make it easier for you, so I have no other choice but to downrate a song that, in itself, is worth 4.5 stars, easy. Hope you don't get frustrated.

Rating: 3.0

Posted by |_JR_|  {{ 13 tabs / 0 corrections }}  on: 02 Sep 2009 14:54

Rated as: Unrated
Really good song
I loved the trills on the sax over the chorus.

Globally it's still "hard" to listen, in the sense that the drum track tends to give headache ! lol
but it's because I'm not really used to this style of music.

I didn't really like your jam part, which did not really sounded like a jam (maybe a jam from hell !) and your sax and clarinet solos sounded more like synth solos to me.

What I liked globally is the presence of piano which makes your song better, and choruses with the sax trills wer awesome as well.
Transitions are ok, sometimes a bit raw but ok.
I think there is still a lack of "rest", it's 100% blastbeat stuff and there is no moment where we can breathe and have rest, but it is well tabbed, although you did not really respect Rumpy's skeleton, but I'm not a judge so this doesn't affect my rating.

I'd give it 3.5 stars

Posted by Djoule  {{ 7 tabs / 0 corrections }}  on: 03 Sep 2009 08:28

Rated as: Unrated
Apophis The Destroyer - JazzDeath

As with the rest, I'll just go through it.

I honestly really do like the Rhodes Intro, and it only gets better with the addition of the backing. Like the progression there.

Main Riff is certainly an interesting stop-and-start affair, but still works. Transition into Verse 1 just felt a little... weird, I guess. Your style of drumwork certainly helps to carry the song through its awkward time sigs. I just have a little niggle at using the clarinet and the sax at the same time, doing exactly the same thing - doesn't seem to really ring true with the intended use for them. Like Djoule said, it feels more like a synthesizer than what they are supposed to be. Putting aside the MIDI limitations :P.

Guitar solo is good. Drumwork starts to get a little overwhelming here, though... Nice flourishes on the harpsichord in the Main Riff - the Variation is pretty crazy, though. Not quite the best variation I've heard, but I wouldn't call it bad. Meteor Storm is simply crazyness on the harpsichord, for the most part. I guess it's fun to listen to :P. Verse 2 is more of the same. It's really the same for Chorus 2 as well. God, it's so damn chaotic here - and it's not even because of dissonance or anything - it's just a downright mess, tbh, with the drumwork there. Not insulting anything there, just saying that it gets a little hard to listen to there.

The Jam is more of the insanity - just different riffage. I have trouble finding the groove, really, in the supposedly Infectious Groove. Even despite the synthesized use of the sax and clarinet, I really enjoyed the solos. Feels really neo-classical to me (I'm actually quite ignorant of the genre, so I'm just saying it feels how I *think* it sounds :P). Chord progression helps there - and you know how much of a sucker I am for chord progressions ;).

Heavy Riff 1 is nice - first one I genuinely enjoyed. Harpsichord solo is awesome as well. Although I found the choice of the fading out and in of the backing just a little strange. Hence Heavy Riff 2 doesn't quite feel heavy until about halfway through. I still enjoyed it though. Main Riff comes back. Wow, crazy (I know I'm overusing that word now) transition into the third Chorus. Again, really the same as the rest. Like the slow solo - although it's debatable as to whether it's really slow - especially since the drumwork remains the same pace, which has been really carrying it throughout the whole thing. Outro is a revisit of the intro - nice way to bring the continuity full-cicle.

Well, after looking properly at it, I'm surprised at how much I actually like it. Guess it has to grow on you :P. Really what lets it down is the drumwork - I know, I know, you're a drummer, and you know what you're doing a helluva more than I do - but I think something just a *little* more subdued could've worked in parts - namely the choruses. Plus, there is the disregard for the skeleton - which I don't blame you for, tbh - I got frustrated as well (no offense, Rumpy), but I tried to force it into the skeleton - as is sorta obvious... XD
So, yea, this is probably the most enjoyable song I've heard from you since your Feb Open winner - which says something ;).

After *much* deliberation, I'll give you 3.5 stars. Nice work on finishing it on time.

Posted by Quibokk  {{ 16 tabs / 0 corrections }}  on: 03 Sep 2009 09:20

Rated as: 
Jazzdeath - Apophis the Destroyer

Well... you didn't manage to fill the Skeleton correctly so I guess that's a few points less, but what really bothers me about this song is how static orchestration is, I mean c'mon, a Rhodes guitar-wise Riff??? Is that possible??? I'm sure a skilled piano player should be able to play something like that but, I don't know, it's not the approach someone would expect for piano lines. Anyway, been said that let's go to the next point.

Main Riff is cool, but probably the best part of this song are the verses, bar 43 = totally win, nice progression and the rhythm flows great. A huge problem here is mixing, some leads and solos are bearly listenable, like the first guitar solo. The backing tracks are too loud.

Main Riff variation doesn't flow all the time and the transition to Chipmunk Invasion ain't pretty good, same thing with the transition to Verse II and transition to Getting into the Jam, those 4 bars (123-126) didn't really make it.

I don't see the intro glimpse on Chorus II, sorry...

Getting into the jam is Ok, I'd have prefered some cooldown there, cause the song is kinda really upbeat the whole time. Infectious groove is Ok too, it does the job. Sax & Clarinet solo were Ok.

I don't get what's the point of the fade out and then fade in on the (your choice) Solo, and.. I don't know, the Hapsichord lines doesn't really sound like a solo at all.

The slow solo was too upset and TBH not a melodical solo IMO.

Rate: 2.5... You have some great competition entries but this one really didn't make it, the song goes straight in just one direction through out, same thing with melodies, harmonies and overall orchestration, and some variation is a must here.

Posted by Daslaf  {{ 22 tabs / 0 corrections }}  on: 24 Sep 2009 11:40

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You just took yer own path here, Jazz, and we both know that it's pretty far removed from what was actually expected. It fills in the bars, is good at what it is, but has little to do with the expected outcome. The quality is real good, you've always been a good composer and you dont' disappoint here. Solid black foundation, tampered with clarinets and whatnot else the skelly forces you to actually toss in there at times. You disregard any form of „overhead thematic development guidelines”, turning chipmunks into a meteor storm. The closest you come to following guidelines is during the „getting into the jam” part, where the slap bass actually feels slightly groovy and the whole part is oddly toe-tapping. It's pretty ironic how heavy riff 2 is acoustic... and everything that wasn't supposed to be as heavy around it isn't. *notes another skelly rule break... which one was it?* Summing up – it's a good Jazzdeath track, doing its own thing, but disobeying a lot of the guidelines the skeleton wanted you to do.

Rating: 3.5 stars

Posted by RumpyTheRubbuhChikin  {{ 30 tabs / 0 corrections }}  on: 29 Sep 2009 05:24

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You just took yer own path here, Jazz, and we both know that it's pretty far removed from what was actually expected. It fills in the bars, is good at what it is, but has little to do with the expected outcome. The quality is real good, you've always been a good composer and you dont' disappoint here. Solid black foundation, tampered with clarinets and whatnot else the skelly forces you to actually toss in there at times. You disregard any form of „overhead thematic development guidelines”, turning chipmunks into a meteor storm. The closest you come to following guidelines is during the „getting into the jam” part, where the slap bass actually feels slightly groovy and the whole part is oddly toe-tapping. It's pretty ironic how heavy riff 2 is acoustic... and everything that wasn't supposed to be as heavy around it isn't. *notes another skelly rule break... which one was it?* Summing up – it's a good Jazzdeath track, doing its own thing, but disobeying a lot of the guidelines the skeleton wanted you to do.

Rating: 3.5 stars

Posted by RumpyTheRubbuhChikin  {{ 30 tabs / 0 corrections }}  on: 29 Sep 2009 05:25

Rated as: Unrated
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