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April 18, 2009 6:54 am

Quibokk
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Ah, what the hell, I'm just going to get it done now (meaning over the next couple of days), whatever's in the folder. I expect people will be wanting ratings just like me.  smiley-rolleyes


Ghost of your smile is always looking for new bodies to haunt... and it's been here, it is up here...
He's hanging around and he'll wait for a while, gradually gone... it's pleasing and freezing...

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April 18, 2009 9:24 am

Todo Winterwolf
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Chile
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Hey Quibokk thanks for the comment!... and excelent guess in the Slash's soloing thing... I was inspired for this song after playing the piano in a GnR tribute my brother did with his band... you completely hit the nail there  smiley-wink2


Pepper Clemens sent the messenger, nevertheless the reverend left the herd....

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April 18, 2009 12:19 pm

RumpyTheRubbuhChikin
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Poland
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

threw my rates/comments... sorry for coming off grumpy and smiting you (if you feel smited)


 

 

April 18, 2009 1:08 pm

Todo Winterwolf
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Chile
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

ok I see your point... I should never compose again...


Pepper Clemens sent the messenger, nevertheless the reverend left the herd....

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April 18, 2009 1:11 pm

RumpyTheRubbuhChikin
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Poland
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

did I ever imply that? and how about "like your song"? "those were cool progressions"? did you get one star and a strict order to abandon the site? it was an okay song, on the border of 2.5 and 3. sorry for any personal trauma... tried to give you some constructive feedback, and not just fawn over how beautiful the song was.

if you want, I can tell you some more positive things about it - it's the sole catchiest piece in the comp, the keys intro had me thinking of "street of dreams", the guitar soloing was pretty nice (even if it did have some mentioned off sounding notes), but there were a number of things that made me feel slightly uneasy with it. sorry if I caused any trauma... didn't mean to be THAT grumpy


 

 

April 18, 2009 1:50 pm

Todo Winterwolf
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Chile
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

I'm not mad at you, I know you didn't want to destroy me psicologically... but it's not what you say about this song... "you never ever had weird chord progressions in the first place, only very foreseeable and generic ones. If anything, this piece has your best and coolest chord progressions to date"... that, for me at least, means I've never done anything good... Imho opinion, I do not f***ing (sorry blackiel, I needed to) care if my songs are "foreseeable and generic", or "cheesy" as you have said a couple of times... I've tried to take it in a non-serious way, but now I just can't...

My music is the only way I have to express my feelings... you see, even now I cant write what I'm feeling... Everything I have... no, everything I need to say just stays inside of me., I cant write it, and that's a little bit ironic, considering I came second in a writing competition yesterday...

Why do I always consider my songs "great" until they get plenty of 2 star ratings in competitions? Maybe it's my fault, and I'm to worried about ratings... maybe ot's my fault because I can't take constructive feedback in a good way... I think that's the problem... No one has ever changed my mind about something I think... Ever...

Why do I care what others say about my song? I love when someone says my song is great, I might be an egocentric, yeah... Am I wrong? There's something wrong in me... I know it... Maybe not wrong, but different...

Maybe I AM mad at you... maybe you hate me... maybe you doesn't like a single song done by me... Maybe I'm paranoic... Why am I writing this? Just because someone didn't like my song? Just because someone I respect didn't like my song?

Ok I know it's wrong to say that I should never compose again, but maybe I shouldn't participate in another competition again... I have never changed the way I write because of some "constructive feedback"... I will keep on composing till I die...

No, you didnt cause me any trauma, I'm the one who's wrong...

I mad at myself, wow... Why? I love my music... that's why...


Pepper Clemens sent the messenger, nevertheless the reverend left the herd....

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April 18, 2009 2:24 pm

RumpyTheRubbuhChikin
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Poland
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

-_- I'll do a brief rundown down the songs of yours I can find on this site, as in my feedback for them, chronologically:

1.) roll the dice - I claim the song is slightly cheesy, but it's in a good way, that I like it, that it's a vast improvement over a previous mysongbook comp entry that did pretty much nil for me, and you get 3.5
2.) steps on white darkness - this one I do call not great, because it just does more-less nada for me. the chord progression is indeed weak for me. I judged that comp, so I listened to the song a hell more than I usually do to comp songs. hence the foreseeableness etc got unjustly stuck in my head. you do get 2.5...
3.) extinctio sacrificare - yep, I do refer to cheddar, because your previous entry was cheddar. I claim that you surprised me very positively, and you get my second highest rate at 4 stars
4.) alive - and we arrive at your current tune... I once again, unjustly, return in my head to the not that great chord progression of steps, but after judging that comp I simply have that song click most with ya when I think about your output. you get 2.5 because I feel grouchy and give really low rates all around. you were close to getting a 3.

I know the express feelings thing... music is the same to me. unfortunately, I fail at it. I should have given up ages ago, hell knows why I still torment you guys with my crappy output and my annoying presence on the boards. I should just move on and let you exist in peace.

yeah, you sure get nuked by two stars rates. the only other piece of yours that has a two star rate would be steps, but it really just wasn't that great. I gave you 2.5 on this one, but you have quibokk's 4.5 and very raving comment to balance it out.

I'm just trying to give you some pointers, things to watch for in future compositions, even if you'll just ignore them. I'm acknowledging aspects in which you improved in my perception. I'm not trying to bring you down in any way, tell you you suck. you don't suck. don't let some worthless mistake's grouchy remarks bring you down like that.

praise is good, but criticism is more necessary. it's the thing that will let you grow, improve, make you a better writer in the end. you've gotta learn to take it better, and also use it in some way. not implying that critique is fun in any way, I remember how I'd sit and grit my teeth at judges criticizing songs I thought were good (for example badgerbander 2), songs into which I put a lot of work and was proud of. I feel those comments helped me become a touch better...

sure, feel free to be mad at me. one thing I'll be useful for. I don't hate you, and you'll find proof in the post that the only song by you I don't like is steps. I do not consider you a sub-par composer in any way. I respect you more than I respect myself. I have no respect for myself. why would you have any respect for me then?

not participate in a competition again because some stupid mistake grumpily claimed that your old chord progressions were unoriginal, due to having a song of yours from a comp that he had to judge really stuck in his head? that's somewhat immature and illogical (don't become offended). you can't be fragile to the point of wanting to ditch something you love because of some critique you received from one moron. why don't you acknowledge the way quibokk praised your song? good to hear you'll keep on composing. you'd better keep on taking part in competitions too.

lucky you, you love your music. I hate my music. and that's about all I have to say.


 

 

April 18, 2009 2:30 pm

JazzDeath
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Canada
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Let me give you a tip Todo, out of the several of my favorite artists that I listen to every day, my favorite bands, 90 percent of their songs would get no more than 3.5 when reviewed objectively, the way I review songs for competitions.

There's a big difference between being subjective and objective, for example I'm very much aware that most of the songs I write for my bands, playable by a 4 piece group, will not fare extremely well in these competitions. I just take what I can to improve my pieces, and what people didn't like, or when people say "There's not enough orchestration/it's too black metal/it's not melodic enough", well I can't change their thoughts on that, but that's not my target audience.

Honestly, I think some of my lower rated songs would fare much better than my competition winner in a real world context. The target audience on this site is not only musicians, it's also composers, and you're being judged against other composers - There's no tougher crowd than that.

Just don't forget why you write music man, not for others, for yourself, and in reality the only person you should have to please is yourself.


It is an art to rightfully use words, without abusing of them.

My personal project, Desocialised

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April 18, 2009 3:11 pm

Todo Winterwolf
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Chile
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Weird stuf...

I wasn't saying I'd stop participating in a competition because I had one bad rating... I wasn't even talking in my last post about that one comment... I was talking bout how I am starting to think that it's useless for me that I keep on participating... I've realised that I always end up thinking "wow my song sucks", and that's just stupid since when I submit them I think "wow my song is great"... I'm not like you, rumpy, I can't improve just by reading what I did wrong, I mean, I don't become a better composer when I read the criticism... And that's not only in music, that happens in everything I do... I'm an autodidact, in everything I do well... Take for example maths... I never pay attention in class, yet I'm the student with the highest grades...
That's why no one can change my mind, that's just the way I am, and I've known that for a long time...

Why do I respect you? Because I consider you a better composer than me... And because you're a composer... I don't believe you hate your music... If I did, I would stop composing... But please dont do that...

I agre with you, Jazz, in everything, except for this: the thing you said about "the real world context"... If I ever become a musician as a profession, I wouldn't care what ANYONE says... the only target audience would be me... You kind of contradicted yourself when you said "you write music man, not for others, for yourself, and in reality the only person you should have to please is yourself."

I had many things more to say, but I forgot them as I was writing... Wow, that's sad smiley-laugh

Oh well... I dont really understand why I'm writing all this... I might be a little bored...

Please do not take anything that I said too seriously (that doesn't mean I wasn't serious while I was writing)...


Pepper Clemens sent the messenger, nevertheless the reverend left the herd....

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April 18, 2009 3:25 pm

JazzDeath
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Canada
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

I was talking about you todo, if you write music for yourself, you shouldn't care to please others.

I write music that I love to listen to, and some songs I write, are entirely for myself. Some songs are for my bands though, and although I do love them, I do have an audience in mind.

ps rumpy badgerbander 2 kicks ass, kthx


It is an art to rightfully use words, without abusing of them.

My personal project, Desocialised

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April 18, 2009 3:26 pm

Generis Humani
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Sweden
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

I'm really letting this competition slip through my fingers. Time to straigten up.

I'll open the Rate topic now. Ninja can resubmit, until tomorrow at 9:30pm, 24hours, and I'll validate Jason's song right away.

The rest of the contestant's who haven't submit their songs are disqualified, no further action.

I'll update the list at the same time as I open the Rate-thread.


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April 18, 2009 3:27 pm

blackiel
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United Kingdom
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Jason's song was validated Gen

after he'd submitted it ten trillion times... lol


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April 18, 2009 3:28 pm

Generis Humani
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Sweden
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

blackiel wrote:

Jason's song was validated Gen

after he'd submitted it ten trillion times... lol

Thanks, Blackiel!


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April 18, 2009 6:52 pm

Quibokk
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New Zealand
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Woa, busy since I last checked...  smiley-blink

Well, I didn't think Todo's song would get that much flack from... others...
I enjoyed it immensely, and thought (from my amateur perspective  smiley-tongue ) that it was a pretty damn well composed song. I really hope you don't think I'm sucking up to Todo or anything, Rumpy, I just thought it was well excecuted. And the "off" notes in the solo, I took them to be... how do I say... just an aspect of a real person improvising. Well, a talented person improvising.  smiley-wink2

I hope I'm not the only one who gives a fairly high rate for it... I mean, I hate looking like an idiot... but I'm still not backing out of what I said, because I meant it.

Anyway, well, Rumpy, I didn't find your comment for my song to be very grumpy or anything, I actually agreed with much of what you said, so it's fair enough. Unless you secretly downgraded the rating itself.  smiley-tongue
My song was just an attempt at something a bit different in terms of structure, and in some parts, ideas. So, any halfway decent rating I consider good.

EDIT: Although, now that I think about it, it would've been nice if you had... you know, said what part of the song you particularly liked or hated, and whatnot. Basically, be more specific. That would be my only complaint.  smiley-rolleyes

Last edited by Quibokk (April 18, 2009 7:07 pm)


Ghost of your smile is always looking for new bodies to haunt... and it's been here, it is up here...
He's hanging around and he'll wait for a while, gradually gone... it's pleasing and freezing...

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April 19, 2009 2:42 am

RumpyTheRubbuhChikin
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Poland
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

-_-'

read todo's post. he implies he took my remarks considering his previous composition's chord progressions to be not great touched him the most. there wasn't much flack directed at the song itself, it were relatively minor issues.

I do not claim you're sucking up to anybody at all. he simply went berserk over my comment, so I pointed out that while I didn't see the song as unconditional effing epic win, you did. he implied he likes praise, so I redirected him to it, to make him feel better, that someone else really digs his stuff.

now on your song - it flowed really well, I liked the way it just kept going and didn't get too boring or repetitive, you managed to keep my attention. praise - the invasion/murder part. came out of the blue, kicked the song into fourth gear for a while, livened it up, helped it. the only tiny complaint I would have is the transition into the outro... it just comes from nowhere and somewhat disturbs me. it's actually kinda funny, how I'm usually the most distraught between somewhat unpolished jumps between similar sounding parts. but it wasn't anything major enough to point it out. there ya go tho, if ya really wanted it ;]


 

 

April 19, 2009 5:25 am

|_JR_|
*Competition Winner Oct/Nov 09* Active Tabber
Portugal
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Hey Rumpy, thanks for the honest comment, you make some good points. I guess I had it coming - this song, much like "particle in a box", is basically a case of "musical diarrhea", I just threw into the gp tab pretty much everything that came to my head. It took some time to realize that actual people are listening to my stuff now, so I should be a little more careful and think songs through before submitting them.  smiley-rolleyes

Just a couple of things:
- Quibokk & Rumpy - is my song so blatantly Beckkill? I didn't think of his stuff at all when I was working on it  smiley-unsure
- "Congratulations on being a physics geek, but keep it away from music please"
Sorry man, no can do smiley-biggrin Physics is my life, so it reflects into everything I do.

I promise I'll submit a more serious, thought out song next time I enter a comp.

[PS] Blackdog's song disappeared! WTF?


There's nothing like Guitar Pro to make you think you know about music...
**Proud to be a physics g€€k / amateur composer**

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April 19, 2009 6:48 am

Quibokk
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New Zealand
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

Actually, JR, I was rather referring to Rumpy as your obvious influence...  smiley-laugh
The crazy over-the-top dissonance and riffs being trademarks of his... tbh Beckkill's style never occurred to me, so... well, now that's put straight.

And Rumpy - "it flowed really well, I liked the way it just kept going and didn't get too boring or repetitive, you managed to keep my attention." - I am very pleased about that.   smiley-smile 
That was the one major criticism I was expecting... well, that and transitions, so I'm glad it wasn't a chore to listen to.

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Ghost of your smile is always looking for new bodies to haunt... and it's been here, it is up here...
He's hanging around and he'll wait for a while, gradually gone... it's pleasing and freezing...

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April 19, 2009 11:48 am

RumpyTheRubbuhChikin
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Poland
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

@quibokk: haha, then we have an indirect proof I hate my music. I didn't even notice the "me" influence in there...


 

 

April 19, 2009 6:48 pm

Generis Humani
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Sweden
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

undercover_ninja712 is disqualified from this competition.

No more submissions allowed from anyone.


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April 20, 2009 3:18 am

JazzDeath
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Canada
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

May I submit my comments and ratings now?


It is an art to rightfully use words, without abusing of them.

My personal project, Desocialised

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April 20, 2009 3:40 am

|_JR_|
*Competition Winner Oct/Nov 09* Active Tabber
Portugal
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

RumpyTheRubbuhChikin wrote:

@quibokk: haha, then we have an indirect proof I hate my music. I didn't even notice the "me" influence in there...

Well, I only took influence from you on a "philosophical" level: you showed that it's possible to mix insanity, weirdness, dissonance and general disrespect of music theory in a single song, and still make it sound unbelievably good. My stuff doesn't resemble yours any more than, say, Megadeth resembles Testament (which are both metal, but the similarity ends there).

If anything, you should be proud of yourself that a complete noob, with no more than 6 months of GP experience, while trying (and failing) to do something of the sort, still manages to come up with a *reasonable* tune! Bottom line: you have absolutely no reason to hate your music. No one else does  smiley-wink2


There's nothing like Guitar Pro to make you think you know about music...
**Proud to be a physics g€€k / amateur composer**

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April 20, 2009 8:19 am

Generis Humani
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Sweden
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

JazzDeath, and everybody else too, you're free to post comments in the Rules and Ratings topic.


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April 20, 2009 9:32 am

blackiel
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United Kingdom
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

@Generis:
sorry, i've lost track of who is judging and whether there is a collective judge?


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April 20, 2009 9:44 am

Generis Humani
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Sweden
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

blackiel wrote:

@Generis:
sorry, i've lost track of who is judging and whether there is a collective judge?

01. JazzDeath
02. daniel9388
03. bumblebee
04. collective judge.

Oh that means you should wait Jazz, forgot you were a judge... smiley-blush


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April 20, 2009 9:51 am

blackiel
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Re: Open Competition April 2009 - Discussion

have you got the list of contestants please?


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